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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by H.P.</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>H.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that as laws change that the stigma of being gay will also lessen. It may never eradicate the existence of straight spouses, but it sure well thin the ranks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that as laws change that the stigma of being gay will also lessen. It may never eradicate the existence of straight spouses, but it sure well thin the ranks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by T.T.</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>T.T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I strongly believe in and support gay marriage.  However, having come from a family in which one of my parents was a straight spouse, I understand their need for support as well.  I like how the article objectively points out both the pros and cons of legalizing gay marriage.  I also hope for a day when children can grow up in a society that does not judge them on their sexual orientation.  I know that my mother was scared.  In the 1980s, it wasn&#039;t really acceptable for a woman to raise a child on her own, much less for a lesbian to do so.  She was always afraid that someone would try to take me away from her.  It would be a much better world if people were allowed to live their lives peacefully and in their own way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I strongly believe in and support gay marriage.  However, having come from a family in which one of my parents was a straight spouse, I understand their need for support as well.  I like how the article objectively points out both the pros and cons of legalizing gay marriage.  I also hope for a day when children can grow up in a society that does not judge them on their sexual orientation.  I know that my mother was scared.  In the 1980s, it wasn&#8217;t really acceptable for a woman to raise a child on her own, much less for a lesbian to do so.  She was always afraid that someone would try to take me away from her.  It would be a much better world if people were allowed to live their lives peacefully and in their own way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by aurora</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>aurora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said. The trouble is, and will remain, that as long as society discriminates against homosexuality there will be people in denial who will, unfortunately, enter heterosexual relationships and come out during a mid-life crisis. It would be nice to sue for misrepresentation, but if someone is in denial about their sexual orientation, or any other socially unacceptable behavior, such as addiction, if the taboo behavior was dormant, it&#039;s tough to prove such behavior pre-extant when it manifests. Body chemistry changes - I know several men who started gay and are now straight with children, and a couple very heterosexual women who are now flamboyant lesbians in the middle of very ugly divorces.  I understand that we are what we are in the moment, but changing sexual orientation should never become an excuse for infidelity. Here lies the tragedy that will foster more discrimination against homosexuals unless we recognize that dishonesty and promiscuity are an issue separate from sexual orientation, although homosexuality and promiscuity have been commonly linked.  Not all men and women who come out at middle age are cheaters. Although I personally don&#039;t know any straight/gay marriage that has survived the transition, honest communication, and fidelity have allowed some partners to remain amicable, through   of course, the pain is inevitable.  Will legalization of homosexual unions bring about fair treatment of offended partners in divorce court?  Probably not in the near future. As a divorcee from a heterosexual union, I don&#039;t believe any betrayed partner receives the vindication we deserve without a detective and investigative accountant at our side and while money rules the legal system,  I doubt the situation will be any better for gay marriages - i.e., the partner with the bigger bank account usually comes out on top.  What we need to remember is that people who act without consideration for their loved ones in any partnership, have framed their emotional intelligence, or lack thereof, due to a number of factors, all of which can&#039;t be blamed or excused on the basis of sexuality.  Jerks come in all sexual flavors. What I hope this legislation will achieve is the removal of the social stigma that many Baby Boomers still attach to homosexuality. I pray it will  inspire greater tolerance towards LGBs so they don&#039;t feel they must &quot;conform&quot; to a straight marriage to please their families, keep their jobs, status, etc. and finally, to help heal the pain of relationships broken by the &quot;coming out&quot; process so that the children of these unions don&#039;t feel that they in turn, must deny or suppress homosexual tendencies within themselves in order to save their parents further grief, Our children deserve a more equalized and tolerant world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said. The trouble is, and will remain, that as long as society discriminates against homosexuality there will be people in denial who will, unfortunately, enter heterosexual relationships and come out during a mid-life crisis. It would be nice to sue for misrepresentation, but if someone is in denial about their sexual orientation, or any other socially unacceptable behavior, such as addiction, if the taboo behavior was dormant, it&#8217;s tough to prove such behavior pre-extant when it manifests. Body chemistry changes &#8211; I know several men who started gay and are now straight with children, and a couple very heterosexual women who are now flamboyant lesbians in the middle of very ugly divorces.  I understand that we are what we are in the moment, but changing sexual orientation should never become an excuse for infidelity. Here lies the tragedy that will foster more discrimination against homosexuals unless we recognize that dishonesty and promiscuity are an issue separate from sexual orientation, although homosexuality and promiscuity have been commonly linked.  Not all men and women who come out at middle age are cheaters. Although I personally don&#8217;t know any straight/gay marriage that has survived the transition, honest communication, and fidelity have allowed some partners to remain amicable, through   of course, the pain is inevitable.  Will legalization of homosexual unions bring about fair treatment of offended partners in divorce court?  Probably not in the near future. As a divorcee from a heterosexual union, I don&#8217;t believe any betrayed partner receives the vindication we deserve without a detective and investigative accountant at our side and while money rules the legal system,  I doubt the situation will be any better for gay marriages &#8211; i.e., the partner with the bigger bank account usually comes out on top.  What we need to remember is that people who act without consideration for their loved ones in any partnership, have framed their emotional intelligence, or lack thereof, due to a number of factors, all of which can&#8217;t be blamed or excused on the basis of sexuality.  Jerks come in all sexual flavors. What I hope this legislation will achieve is the removal of the social stigma that many Baby Boomers still attach to homosexuality. I pray it will  inspire greater tolerance towards LGBs so they don&#8217;t feel they must &#8220;conform&#8221; to a straight marriage to please their families, keep their jobs, status, etc. and finally, to help heal the pain of relationships broken by the &#8220;coming out&#8221; process so that the children of these unions don&#8217;t feel that they in turn, must deny or suppress homosexual tendencies within themselves in order to save their parents further grief, Our children deserve a more equalized and tolerant world.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by Nymeriarya</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Nymeriarya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 02:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It definitely is a bit of a double-edged sword.  For so many of our gay spouses, homosexuality is less about legalities than it is about rejection from the people that mean the most to them . . . their family, church and colleagues.  I fully support making same-sex couples a legal &quot;partnership&quot; for all the same ways that marriage joins a couple.  It is a step in the right direction, for sure.  

No matter what is done legally however;  the str8 spouses, family and children remain as forgotten casualties of mixed-orientation marriage and divorce.  I really wish there was a way to PROVE orientation so that we could absolutely prove that our spouses were intentionally fraudulent when they faked their way into heterosexual marriages.  That would indeed open str8 spouses up to a whole new world of financial and therapeutic support.  Coming out after heterosexual marriage is NOT an act of bravery.   The str8 spouses and children should be the ones embraced and cared for by society.  The fraudulent gay spouse should NOT be coddled as the brave one.  They chose to lie.  They chose to manipulate.  They chose to lead a less-than genuine life, and they seem to be getting away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It definitely is a bit of a double-edged sword.  For so many of our gay spouses, homosexuality is less about legalities than it is about rejection from the people that mean the most to them . . . their family, church and colleagues.  I fully support making same-sex couples a legal &#8220;partnership&#8221; for all the same ways that marriage joins a couple.  It is a step in the right direction, for sure.  </p>
<p>No matter what is done legally however;  the str8 spouses, family and children remain as forgotten casualties of mixed-orientation marriage and divorce.  I really wish there was a way to PROVE orientation so that we could absolutely prove that our spouses were intentionally fraudulent when they faked their way into heterosexual marriages.  That would indeed open str8 spouses up to a whole new world of financial and therapeutic support.  Coming out after heterosexual marriage is NOT an act of bravery.   The str8 spouses and children should be the ones embraced and cared for by society.  The fraudulent gay spouse should NOT be coddled as the brave one.  They chose to lie.  They chose to manipulate.  They chose to lead a less-than genuine life, and they seem to be getting away with it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 01:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just proving it&#039;s easy to comment!  I wholeheartedly support the points in this article, and am very proud of its author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just proving it&#8217;s easy to comment!  I wholeheartedly support the points in this article, and am very proud of its author.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How Does the Prop 8 Ruling Affect Straight Spouses of Gay People? by nadirehsa</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=774&#038;cpage=1#comment-325</link>
		<dc:creator>nadirehsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 02:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of this post and wanted to add another point. By saying, as a society, that marriage includes gay marriage, we are taking an important step toward normalizing homosexuality. The effects of this normalization would be diffuse and difficult to properly quantify, but I would argue they exist nonetheless. A gay child born in a world where gay marriage is fully recognized has one less social institution telling him that he is abnormal or wrong. 

Further, as gay people become married as a matter of course, it will cease to be unusual. Over time it is likely that society will come to see gay marriage as almost banal, the way that interracial marriages become less and less &quot;shocking&quot; to society at large with each passing generation. The repeal of anti-miscegenation laws was part of that shift from shocking to passe. Gay marriage would almost certainly follow the same generational drift. 

Perhaps there is no such world where there are zero straight spouses. But a world where homosexuality is normal, without stigma, is likely a world where the straight spouse phenomenon becomes far less prevalent. Enshrining equality of marriage in our laws is an important step toward making that world a reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of this post and wanted to add another point. By saying, as a society, that marriage includes gay marriage, we are taking an important step toward normalizing homosexuality. The effects of this normalization would be diffuse and difficult to properly quantify, but I would argue they exist nonetheless. A gay child born in a world where gay marriage is fully recognized has one less social institution telling him that he is abnormal or wrong. </p>
<p>Further, as gay people become married as a matter of course, it will cease to be unusual. Over time it is likely that society will come to see gay marriage as almost banal, the way that interracial marriages become less and less &#8220;shocking&#8221; to society at large with each passing generation. The repeal of anti-miscegenation laws was part of that shift from shocking to passe. Gay marriage would almost certainly follow the same generational drift. </p>
<p>Perhaps there is no such world where there are zero straight spouses. But a world where homosexuality is normal, without stigma, is likely a world where the straight spouse phenomenon becomes far less prevalent. Enshrining equality of marriage in our laws is an important step toward making that world a reality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell: Lt. Choi Discharged by Straight Spouse</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=750&#038;cpage=1#comment-322</link>
		<dc:creator>Straight Spouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 03:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Nyckie.  You are a very important source of support for her.  There are many people who contact the Straight Spouse Network who aren&#039;t quite sure, but it is a safe place to ask the questions that no one else will answer - or allow you to ask.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Nyckie.  You are a very important source of support for her.  There are many people who contact the Straight Spouse Network who aren&#8217;t quite sure, but it is a safe place to ask the questions that no one else will answer &#8211; or allow you to ask.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell: Lt. Choi Discharged by Nyckie</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=750&#038;cpage=1#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Nyckie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for repealing DADT. 

I have a cousin who whose story is so similar to mine that it is eery. However, one difference is that her gay husband is abusive - emotionally abusive. Her husband is active military. So, she suffers in silence and refuses to see a counselor. She states that she does not know for sure if her husband is gay, but suspects it. She has only told me about it, as she trusts me because I am in a similar situation. Other family members also feel that he may be gay. I feel badly for her, but she won&#039;t leave him, at least not anytime soon, and is in a bit of denial. I am worried about her, as I know she has sexual relations with him, and I am pretty sure he is sleeping around men. I think she just doesn&#039;t know what to do, which is common in mixed-orientation marriages, but even more difficult for her as both she and her husband&#039;s survival depends her staying quiet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for repealing DADT. </p>
<p>I have a cousin who whose story is so similar to mine that it is eery. However, one difference is that her gay husband is abusive &#8211; emotionally abusive. Her husband is active military. So, she suffers in silence and refuses to see a counselor. She states that she does not know for sure if her husband is gay, but suspects it. She has only told me about it, as she trusts me because I am in a similar situation. Other family members also feel that he may be gay. I feel badly for her, but she won&#8217;t leave him, at least not anytime soon, and is in a bit of denial. I am worried about her, as I know she has sexual relations with him, and I am pretty sure he is sleeping around men. I think she just doesn&#8217;t know what to do, which is common in mixed-orientation marriages, but even more difficult for her as both she and her husband&#8217;s survival depends her staying quiet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell: Again by Straight Spouse Network Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell: Lt. Choi Discharged</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straight Spouse Network Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Don&#8217;t Ask Don&#8217;t Tell: Lt. Choi Discharged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] may remember Lt. Choi, as we wrote about him earlier in this blog.  Members of our group had the pleasure of meeting him [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dirty Little Secret by breathe</title>
		<link>http://www.straightspouse.org/blog/?p=745&#038;cpage=1#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>breathe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely, Cathy.</description>
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